DOGS :(

Cranny · Post by **Cranny** » 03 Apr 2008, 22:32

Im getting really sick of dogs on the beach. I cant go jogging without being chased along the sand. I saw a dog scaring some little kids on the beach today. The next time I hear "hes only playing" I might start a little "game" myself.

Its also a constant avoid the dogshit situation. A lot of dog owners take a litle bag with them but if they think noones looking leave the dogshit in the sand anyway

Dogs should be banned from the beach or at least the owners should be forced to have them on a lead only, otherwise they should get a fat fine.

admin: moved to G&TT

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 03 Apr 2008, 23:51

I can hear the dog owners baying for your blood already Cranny

Funnily enough you're not the only one to touch on this topic. It is mentioned in several threads but you might want to take a look at this one Yellow Flag Status for Porty beach as it explains why a dog-free area isn't likely to happen in the immediate future.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Apr 2008, 02:22

I no longer jog along the beach, I jog no longer.

I can understand why dog owners ought to poop scoop on the streets. I have a bit of a problem with the singling out and castigation of dogs that choose to s hit on the beach and the incumbent responsibilities of their owners. Lots of animals, reptiles and sea creatures defecate on the beach' almost all attract no comment whatsoever. Is it fair to pick on dogs that do so? The beach is not a pedestrianised area. Why is is different for dogs? After all most of our excrement ends up in the sea or on the shore.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 04 Apr 2008, 10:03

Porty wrote:I Lots of animals, reptiles and sea creatures defecate on the beach' almost all attract no comment whatsoever.

I (and other dog owners) had a longrunning battle going on with the horse riding fraternity a few years back for just this reason Porty. Everyone's quick to criticise dog owners for allowing their dogs to run about, enjoy themselves and generally be dogs in what is actually a public space but when 6 huge racehorses pounded the sands at 40 odd miles per hour dropping huge mounds of dung about the place and being in a position to potentially kill a child or a dog everyone stood back and said "Oh aren't they beautiful, isn't it nice to see them running around the beach enjoying themselves". My granny always used to say "never trust a man who doesn't like dogs" and I agree with her. (she also used to say the same thing about men whose eyebrows meet in the middle but that's irrelevant to this thread

)

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Apr 2008, 10:47

Porty wrote:I Lots of animals, reptiles and sea creatures defecate on the beach' almost all attract no comment whatsoever.

But it isn't likely while on Portobello beach that your toddler will get knocked flat on it's back by a scary starfish who is 'just playing' or that you will have your ankles nipped by a quarrelsome cod who 'normally never bites'. Or have you a different tale to tell Porty?

Epykat, there may be no such thing as a 'bad' dog, but there are certainly plenty of bad owners. A dog-free area on the beach with the rest being open to all of the canine species ( I wouldn't want them to have no open space left to run about in when Portobello Park is built on

) would be great. They've done it elsewhere in the UK and I think the reason put forward for not doing it in Portobello is ridiculous.

*I'm just waiting for this thread to go off on a tangent like the Disappointed dog at Joppa one. Porty surprised me by avoiding the obvious and going for the surreal this time

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 04 Apr 2008, 11:13

Marya wrote:A dog-free area on the beach with the rest being open to all of the canine species ( I wouldn't want them to have no open space left to run about in when Portobello Park is built on ) would be great.[/size]

I'd agree with that. There are so many dogs in Portobello because the beach is the ideal place to exercise them. The reason some dogs are so boisterous is because they don't get enough exercise. It's a Catch 22. Some people want to ban dogs from being off the lead, but the only way the dogs can work off all their energy is to run about. Maybe it should be the law that children should be kept on reins at all times when in public places - see how happy they'd be.

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 04 Apr 2008, 11:33

I for one would welcome a dog free area on the beach so that I could happily walk my dog on the "permitted area" without being persecuted. I don't actually let him off very often as he is still young and prone to running off in his excitement so his off lead runs tend to be in the confines of the park. If there are young children in there and he runs towards them I always put him on his lead so as not to cause any distress.
As for the poo problem, most of the local dog walkers are very good and clean up but we constantly see people come down in cars and let their dogs off to do as they wish and don't bother cleaning up. We offer bags to people who do this but it is not always met with good grace.
Some of my friends phoned the environmental department recently to complain about the state of the prom but we haven't seen any sign of anyone patrolling the aea yet. Untill they make an effort to start fining people then the problem will continue and only get worse as the summer approaches.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Apr 2008, 12:26

Marya wrote:
Porty wrote:I Lots of animals, reptiles and sea creatures defecate on the beach' almost all attract no comment whatsoever.
But it isn't likely while on Portobello beach that your toddler will get knocked flat on it's back by a scary starfish who is 'just playing' or that you will have your ankles nipped by a quarrelsome cod who 'normally never bites'. Or have you a different tale to tell Porty?

Very true but I didn't make comment on unruly dogs, thats a different matter to pooing.

So far no-one has come up with the farcicl argument about "what if yours or another toddler started playing with dog-s hit on the beach?"" What the hell's wrong with that? I'm guessing they will likely play with it once. And it has the added benefit of the parent (s( being able to talk about it in years to come.

BTW I still get cross at those who believe that they are somehow entitled to a quiet walk along the beach.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Apr 2008, 12:29

Marya wrote:
*I'm just waiting for this thread to go off on a tangent like the Disappointed dog at Joppa one. Porty surprised me by avoiding the obvious and going for the surreal this time

What a classic thread that is!!!!

Sandra · Post by **Sandra** » 04 Apr 2008, 14:11

Cranny wrote: A lot of dog owners take a litle bag with them but if they think noones looking leave the dogshit in the sand anyway

Not the vast majority of dog owners Cranny, just the selfish few!

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Apr 2008, 14:38

Porty wrote:What a classic thread that is!!!!

All I've ever seen at Longniddry Bents carpark have been OAPS with their tartan flasks , not a single glimpse of any part of Stan Collymore's anatomy

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Apr 2008, 15:16

I feel cod are escaping lightly here. They undoubtedly contribute faeces to beach environments but seem to be excused because they are not know to nip people's ankles. Granted some dogs do that and they knock the occassonal person over when a bit over excited. So there are some negative contributions from dogs but I think we need to look at the bigger picture when it comes to the relative merits of cod and dogs.

I've yet to see a yellow-vested, visullay impaired person being guided by a cod or any othert sea creature for that matter. And what about a 3 day spectacular show at Birmingham's NEC? You would not part with money if such an event were based around cod. I could provide countless other examples where dogs are much more beneficial than cod or seagulls but when it comes to s hitting rights on the beach, dogs are second class citizens.

I'm sure a few of you will differ with me on this subject. I leave you with this thought; would the cat and cod home make you want to give generously?

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Apr 2008, 16:18

Cod make tastier pies.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 04 Apr 2008, 16:25

Porty wrote: I could provide countless other examples where dogs are much more beneficial than cod or seagulls but when it comes to s hitting rights on the beach, dogs are second class citizens.

And I have never had a dog s hit on the roof of my car!

Porty wrote: I'm sure a few of you will differ with me on this subject. I leave you with this thought; would the cat and cod home make you want to give generously?

Nah, the charity contributions would take a real battering.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Apr 2008, 16:30

Would your mother feed you dog liver oil?

Post by **wangi** » 04 Apr 2008, 16:38

Epykat wrote:And I have never had a dog shit on the roof of my car!

I've always thought that was a speciality of cats and birds.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Apr 2008, 16:40

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 04 Apr 2008, 17:17

wangi wrote:
Epykat wrote:And I have never had a dog shit on the roof of my car!
I've always thought that was a speciality of cats and birds.

Exactly! So why persecute dogs for s hitting on the beach when birds do it on your head

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Apr 2008, 17:17

Can you imagine me slipping into my Dog piece for the TP night out tomorrow?

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 04 Apr 2008, 19:23

Porty wrote:Can you imagine me slipping into my Dog piece for the TP night out tomorrow?

I can. And I really never want to visit that image ever again........

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Apr 2008, 19:28

Epykat wrote:
Porty wrote:Can you imagine me slipping into my Dog piece for the TP night out tomorrow?
I can. And I really never want to visit that image ever again........

It haunts you though, doesn't it?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 05 Apr 2008, 02:17

It haunts me and I'm the only living eye witness.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 05 Apr 2008, 02:44

Epykat wrote: Everyone's quick to criticise dog owners for allowing their dogs to run about, enjoy themselves and generally be dogs i

Just for a minute, lets leave aside your "everyone" claim and thereby disassociate yourself from the scummy "I speak for the majority" style that is the norm among fantasist's.

I genuinely disagree with the attitude against dogs and their owners. Dogs ought to be able to bask, frolic, embrace and promote their personal enjoyment of the beach. Without fear of being singled out and castigated for the occasional lapse. As humans our entitlement to the wonderful place that the Beach is, is not one iota more than the dogs.

i don't know who you are cranny, I question why you believe that you ought to restrict the behavior and enjoyment of another creature or creatures, in order that you enjoy "your" space. If you don't mind me saying this displays an extreme selfishness. I can easily envisage an alert, curious, energy filled puppy gamboling along with care and abandon. It never occurred to the dog that humans may pass by at an alarming rate, and because its alarming the dogs try and balance the situation.

So how do we rank who takes priority on Porty Beach? Is it the purposeful, single-minded, non inclusive, personality devoid, dog owner or is it the dogs themselves? Answers on a postcard but don't expect them to be displayed in the postcard gallery within the average lifespan.

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 05 Apr 2008, 07:52

Porty, you wouldn't be Cranny would you ? Up to your old tricks again

Robin! · Post by **Robin!** » 05 Apr 2008, 12:57

I remember when I was a kid, a German Shepherd knocked me clean off my feet in the sea down at Portobello. I got a mouth full of Sea water, yuck

Anyhoo, the beach is there for everyone to enjoy. However I agree with the dog poo. Folk should clean it up regardless if anyone is looking or not. If or when I get a dog, I'd probably stick to the Seafield end to walk my dog.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 05 Apr 2008, 16:14

Porty wrote:
Epykat wrote: Everyone's quick to criticise dog owners for allowing their dogs to run about, enjoy themselves and generally be dogs
Just for a minute, lets leave aside your "everyone" claim and thereby disassociate yourself from the scummy "I speak for the majority" style that is the norm among fantasist's.

Sorry. That was a momentary lapse. I was talking s hit. Can I edit "Everyone" to "Some" please?

That aside, I actually agree (

) with everything you've said Porty. I'm always puzzled by human beings who seem to believe that every other animal on the planet is somehow less worthy of being here than they are. So, we're the top of the food chain but does that give us the right to deny other creatures the right to exist/co-exist? That's why I never kill spiders, wasps etc. They're only going about their daily business in my opinion.

StarVanMan · Post by **StarVanMan** » 07 Apr 2008, 20:17

I've never liked dog poo because I've always thought it smells. Has anyone else noticed that or is it just me?

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 07 Apr 2008, 21:19

Maybe other dogs do but mine doesn't

............maybe it's like changing babies nappies, you don't mind doing your own but the thought of someone elses, yeugh

Cleaning up after my wee man is a pleasure

StarVanMan · Post by **StarVanMan** » 08 Apr 2008, 21:23

I've no probs with my wee toddler's doodoos. I wouldnt dream of leaving it on the beach though.

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 09 Apr 2008, 07:41

StarVanMan wrote:I've no probs with my wee toddler's doodoos. I wouldnt dream of leaving it on the beach though.

.........and I don't leave my dogs doodoos on the beach either !!!!!
or anywhere else for that matter, all are disposed of very carefully indeed.

Unfortunately come summer you will find that not all parents are as considerate as you, dirty nappies are quite a frequent sight left lying on the sand and side streets

StarVanMan · Post by **StarVanMan** » 12 Apr 2008, 17:15

I really didnt mean to suggest that you would leave anything untoward on the beach TeddyGirl.

Just to the add to the fun, we had to evacuate Leith Water World this morning when a killer poo was spotted in the pool.

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 12 Apr 2008, 22:47

StarVanMan wrote:I really didnt mean to suggest that you would leave anything untoward on the beach TeddyGirl.

Just to the add to the fun, we had to evacuate Leith Water World this morning when a killer poo was spotted in the pool.

Oh, poor you. I sometimes have to take the schoolkids swimming (starting again next week actually) and that happened to us one week.
The kids thought it was great fun, I was just glad I wasn't in the water with them

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 13 Apr 2008, 09:52

I've never known a dog to do it in a swimming pool

. Why didn't the mother of the offending child pick it up?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 13 Apr 2008, 15:44

I'm sure poos in the pool are a daily occurrence. Lisa works at Next Gen and she hates it when it happens.

Grunk · Post by **Grunk** » 13 Nov 2008, 18:15

Has anyone else noticed the increase in Dog poos in and around Portobello recently?

It's getting quite tricky to spot them as it's dark pretty much all the time now. I think we need to get the environmental Wardens up here with their fining powers.

Talk Porty ~ Portobello

DOGS :(

DOGS :(

Re: DOGS :(